Saturday, 17 November 2012

Multiroom streaming for Virgin Media's TiVo: Missing channels, Missing TiVos

What!??! I can't stream Eastenders to my other TiVo?!?
Why not!?!?
Multiroom streaming (I'll be calling it MRS from here on) has technically been available on Virgin Media's TiVo since the 15.2 software update. However, its only recently become available for use and at the moment, the number of channels available to stream are limited to the point that none of the terrestrial channels can be streamed at present. You can thank the relevant content owners for that. Add on yet another incoming price increase (you can thank Virgin for that) and the appeal of MRS is diminished somewhat, considering the additional cost of having an extra TiVo.

Once you have your TiVos connected to your home network (either via Ethernet or Powerline adapters) you should be able to see the other TiVo at the bottom of your My Shows screen. In my cases (and others, here, here and well, me here), that really is 'should' because the appearance of the other TiVo is erratic, at best, and that's after rebooting the router, upgrading the router to the latest firmware, rebooting both TiVos, re-requesting the IP address and using Static IP addresses for both TiVos (as opposed to the reserved dyamic ones I use with the 20+ devices on my network). Even legacy TiVos owners have had this issue.

Just to add to my confusion, I could always see the other TiVo on the network via Home > Help & Settings > System Info > Multi-Room Streaming. However, it turns out that this screen merely shows the TiVos you are billed for, not the ones currently on your home network.

Want more confusion? That same screen always lists each billed TiVo has having its Video Sharing Disabled, even now MRS has been enabled on all TiVos. This is a mistake due to be fixed in a future firmware update.

This is my home network:
Both network switches have various devices connected to them. The only devices which can't see
each other then I expect them to are the 2 TiVos. Why?

I even tried swapping my 500Mb homeplugs with the older 200Mb ones I had. I had limited success, in which both TiVos could see each other and stream from each other without disappearing from the other TiVo's My Shows screen. Ah-ha I thought, was the 500Mb homeplugs at fault?

I then swapped the plugs back to the 500Mb versions and to my surprise, both TiVos could still see each other. So, not the 500Mb homeplugs then.

I eventually realised that when when I removed and then reinserted the homeplug connected to the router in the bedroom, that, somehow, enabled the TiVos to see each other. For about a hour or so. After which they disappeared from each other's My Shows screen.

The method which TiVos use to discover each other on a home network is reported to be based on the UDP network protocol, this operates on a 'best-effort, performance based, no guarantee of delivery' basis (streaming itself is based on UDP since streaming video is a time sensitive operation).

I'm guessing that when I disconnected and then reconnected the homeplug connected to the router, my router dispatched a flurry of UDP data packages which enabled the TiVos to see each other - briefly. By the next day, the TiVo were MIA again from the other TiVo's My Shows screen. I wonder if this discovery process used by one TiVo to locate another is robust enough. None of the 20+ devices on my home network have trouble seeing each other when I expect them to.

I can only stream you!
For now, I've come to a halt to get MRS working. Due to the limited channels available to stream, the only stream-able content I have are episodes of Covert Affairs. Virgin are working on adding more channels for MRS, but given the forthcoming price increase I might be dumping one of the TiVos anyway. Plus I've wasted enough time attempting to get MRS working.

At least I have Last Resort to watch......what do you mean its been cancelled???!?

UPDATE: Virgin are now saying that not all Homeplugs are compatible with MRS, and are recommending that Netgear products be used to stream content between TiVos. I'm currently using the 500Mb homeplugs from TP-LINK and they work fine with the various game consoles, media streamers, Blu-Ray players and NAS Drives on my network. They work fine with all those devices apart from the TiVos.

I'm sure the Netgear 500Mb products are fine products. They should be, they're almost double the cost.


howardmicks said...

Yer not good,But you cant really blame providers.VM have been banging on about tivo streaming from when the tivo was first released,common sense would have been to contact providers pre launch and had this sorted.Another VM Cock up

howardmicks said...

Yer not good,But you cant really blame providers.VM have been banging on about tivo streaming from when the tivo was first released,common sense would have been to contact providers pre launch and had this sorted.Another VM Cock up

Safwaan Bhatti said...

I had similar issues with TP-Link Powerline adapters, they don't work well with virgin tivo - apparently most have a built in "eco" setting which disconnects the device from the network when it senses that there is no traffic flowing through it.

This 'feature' seems to clash with the other tivo discovery.

I didn't spend much time trying to sort it out however I could see no way of switching off the 'eco' setting.

Jason (Admin) said...

In my setup the plugs never go into power-saving mode, since their connected to network switches.

At all times, both TiVos are connected to the network.

Ed said...

I've been using Solwise Powerline HD plugs (these use the 200Mbps standard) and these appear to work. Both my Tivos can see each other, but, of course, I only have a couple of things I can actually watch.

On one hand, I can understand there are legal issues with streaming of content. On the other, though, I just can't see how hard it can be to sort out. Given that the channels allow their content to be DVR'd (and, in the cases of many, already allow the Tivo to stream from an "on demand" service such as iPlayer) I just don't see how complicated it can be to allow me to stream to another room. I could, for example, use a video sender to allow me to watch content in another room, so what exactly is the concern that the copyright holders have?

Neil Courtman said...

Solwise powerline adapters seem to work well.Use the N adapters and can see both tivo's.

As per previous comments, streaming is useless if providers wont allow content to be streamed.
#Would be great to be able to watch recorded content too.

Great idea but needs a final push to make tv anywhere phenomonal.

However have now bought a cheap Slingbox Solo. Works wonders.

WsG said...

Software updates are fine.
The last update gave me 'reminders'. But Tivo wants to record it and I have 3 other shows recording.
So what happens?

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